Back from Kyoto 
2007-12-15, 12:36

At the SC 34 Closing Plenary

The closing SC 34 plenary passed, as expected, without controversy – but instead with some warmth of feeling as the attendees expressed their appreciation for the outgoing SC 34 officers.

The Unclogging of SC 34


SC 34 seems to be getting over the worst effect of its influx of new members: ballots not getting passed because of insufficient voting. Some NBs attending these meetings were even able to submit votes for open ballots, getting us up to the required numbers just in time. Talking to them it seems the problem has (as usual) been “cock-up rather than conspiracy”, with problems occurring such as emails going awry in the bureaucracies of the new members’ standards bodies.

This means that my working group (WG 1) was able to progress its work on DSDL and the part I am editing (DTLL) is due to advance to FCD (Final Committee Draft) stage early next year. I was also able to continue work on an implementation of a DTLL validator in Java – this is open source and on sourceforge, though I don’t recommend checking it out unless people want a very early view, or want to help with the coding effort (yes please!)

Impressions of Japan


This was a very enjoyable and worthwhile trip, and it is reassuring to have seen SC 34 continuing to function effectively. The Japanese people are very friendly, the food fantastic, and the temples and gardens so beautiful (Kyoto has the highest density of World Heritage Sites of anywhere on the planet). I regretted not taking a more serious camera than my battered Canon compact. If there’s one place in this world that merits lots of megapixels and fine optics, it’s Kyoto.

And OOXML?


Though DIS 29500 was off the agenda, it was, out of session, on most people’s lips. It is my hope that good faith engagement with the process and principled discussion from all (what might be called SC 34 characteristics) will ultimately triumph, though (as patrollers of the blogs will know) feelings seem to be running high in some quarters.

No neutral observer is being so foolish as to predict what will happen – on the long flight home I was pondering this and found (possibly as a result of too much in-flight Sake) a Haiku coming to mind which seemed to sum this up:

Six thousand pages,
And five days in Geneva;
Maybe it will pass.



Mirror Lake at Ryoan-ji Temple

carlos 
2007-12-17, 01:50
>Six thousand pages,
>And five days in Geneva;
>Maybe it will pass.

i wouldn't underestimate the power of money.

having seen +8 ISO national bodies upgrading to JTC1 P-status in a couple of days before ballot closing and the same NBs voting unconditional yes to +6000 pages of a poorly redacted vendor-internal-document-format-documentation ( aka DIS 29500 ) and now seeing how the draft proposer easily make gross changes to the document in a couple of months, subverting the fast-track process "spirit", with the blessing of ISO JTC1 directives

my prediction is sad:

it *will* pass

Carlos

Karsten S 
2007-12-17, 19:00
Six thousand pages,
And five days in Geneva;
Maybe it will pass.


It will, it will but it would be a "blood standard". As long as no decent patent provisions are provided by Microsoft the campaign would continue against the adoption of the format in the public sector; thus the public outrage will promote true open standards regulation. And of course the end of the Open XML debate would be the beginning of ISO reform talks because no party expected it to happen. ISO has insufficient defense mechanisms against vendor capture.

Funny times we are living in... ;-)

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An amazing coalition to go to standard war with...


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