SC 34 Meetings, Kyoto (contd.) 
2007-12-11, 01:33

Part of the Zen Garden, Ryoan-ji Temple

The maintenance of OOXML


There has been a bit of a hullabaloo about the supposed maintenance regime for DIS 29500 (should it become a standard). Neutral observers should know that much of this blogarrhea is “not even wrong”. Here's why.

First, there seems to have been some confusion about Ecma’s proposed maintenance agreement. The important word here is “proposed”, for while some commentators seem to have assumed that this agreement spells out what is happening, such a proposal does not equate to what will happen, what should happen, or even what necessarily can happen.

Secondly, Ecma’s proposal is (naturally enough given the complexities) incorrect in some aspects of its statement of JTC 1 process, and unclear in others. In particular, as was pointed out at the plenary (without contradiction) clause 2 of Ecma’s proposal is mistaken. It states:

As prescribed by JTC Directives clause 13.13, Ecma TC45 [...] will be the “JTC 1-designated maintenance group”

However, what clause 13.13 actually states is:

If the proposed standard is accepted and published, its maintenance will be handled by JTC 1 and/or a JTC 1 designated maintenance group in accordance with the JTC 1 rules.

and, as a matter of fact, JTC 1’s “designated maintenance group” is SC 34, and not Ecma. It is for SC 34 to decide how the maintenance of any future standard based on DIS 29500 is maintained.

Thirdly, the “JTC 1 rules” mentioned in the Directives clause 13.13 govern the maintenance and are clear and inviolable. In summary, they state:
  • Proposals to amend the text, and acceptance of any such amendments, are subject to normal ISO voting processes (clause 15.5);
  • The standard cannot be “stabilised” (i.e. no longer subject to periodic maintenance) except through approval in a JTC 1 ballot (Clause 15.6.2);
  • For the standard to be stabilised it must have passed through “one review cycle” (Clause 15.6.1). In this review cycle the text would have to have been re-written to comply with ISO’s formatting and verbal requirements (Clause 13.4).
Fourthly, there are a number of alternative ideas being voiced how the maintenance will actually be handled, of which the proposal for a new working group is but one.

And finally, the rules for the Fast Track (which DIS 29500 is taking) differ from those for the PAS submission track (which ODF, ISO/IEC 26300:2006 took). ODF is being maintained by OASIS, as allowed by PAS. Any future IS 29500 will be governed by different rules as detailed above.

Battle Armour


On the left is a picture of a suit of Japanese samurai armour. It was suggested to me that this would be an appropriate outfit to wear for convening the BRM. Hmmm – it is slightly disconcerting just how many people are telling me this is the worst job in standardisation …

Be forewarned: the ISO process will “fail”


Speaking to fellow NB representatives, it is clear that lobbying (in many directions) is intensifying as the BRM nears. It would be naïve to expect anything else, I suppose. It amuses me the degree of self-certainty both sides have (coupled with very high levels of mistrust). One corollary of this is that they both profess that the only thing that can undo them is a “failure of process”. Tweedledum believes their DIS is so good that only a “failure of process” can thwart it; Tweedledee, however, is convinced that the DIS is so deeply flawed that only a “failure of process” could allow it to become standard.

And so, while I have up till now thought that a solid grounding in the JTC 1 Directives and meeting procedures would be a good education for convening the coming BRM, I am coming to believe that in fact the best preparation is being a father of two small children, both of whom are sometimes prone to intemperate outbreaks of sibling-rivalry. Inevitably, when this ends with one of them feeling they have “lost” a dispute, the complaint will be “it’s not fair”. I am fully expecting something equivalent when this standardisation process produces a result.
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SC 34 Meetings, Kyoto 
2007-12-09, 14:13

at Ginkaku-ji Temple

Opening Plenary


Passed with little controversy, though in what I sensed was a somewhat tense and expectant atmosphere. The meeting was well attended, both by (what might be called) the old guard, and by many new members who no doubt represent a wide spectrum of thinking on SC 34’s subject areas. There was no substantive discussion either of Ecma’s proposed maintenance agreement for OOXML (should it become a standard), or of the UK’s proposal to create a new working group for Office document formats. These will most likely be formally addressed in the next SC 34 meeting which will take place in Oslo in April 2008.

Changing of the Guard


The most notable business of the plenary was the appointment of a number of new SC 34 officers.

Our long time chairman, Jim Mason (who unfortunately is not able to attend this meeting) is stepping down from his position. Jim has been chairman for all my time in SC 34 and has proved sage and effective at every turn. The respectful affection in which he is held is best illustrated by the appreciation which SC34 produced to mark the occasion of his 20th year as convenor.


Ken Holman and Jim Mason

Our outgoing Secretariat Manager, Ken Holman, has also been in his role since I first attended SC 34 meetings. Ken has always been a cheerful and able presence, and his XSLT (and more) scripts have produced a fantastic near-real-time view of SC 34’s business – achieving the nearly impossible in taming the mighty bureaucracy of the ISO/IEC process – but then Ken is an acknowledged guru in this area and his XML technologies training is generally considered to be the best in the world. We all look forward to Ken “rejoining the ranks” to work on our ongoing standards production.

Steve Pepper, long-term convenor of WG3, is also stepping aside. While I have not been involved in WG3’s work I (in common with practically everybody in the XML and semantic web space) have been aware of Steve's substantial achievement in developing and evangelising Topic Maps. As was noted in the meeting, his Tao of Topic Maps is the classic introductory text on the subject.


Martin Bryan

Finally, my own working group convenor Martin Bryan is stepping down in anticipation of his retirement next year. Martin has been something of a mentor to me, guiding me along some of the more Byzantine passages of the ISO/IEC process. At the plenary Martin spoke to his paper which has been the subject of some comment in the blogosphere (and which was never intended for public circulation). You could have heard a pin drop as Martin described how in 20 years of ISO involvement he had always enjoyed working with people who, although they might disagree violently, came to meetings as themselves. It would be a great shame, he said, if we got to a state where people came to meetings not as individuals with ideas, but as corporate representatives with positions.

BRM Looms


Meanwhile, the DIS 29500 Ballot Resolution Meeting nears. It appears the meeting is oversubscribed, and so delegations will need to be pruned. I have been beginning to discuss, and take soundings on, the best way to run the meeting itself. Because of the large number of comments and the limited time in which to discuss them, it looks as if a sensible way to proceed will be to batch comments together in related groups and to try and move quickly through uncontentious areas (for example questions of minor textual tweaks, or where Ecma may have simply accepted and straightforwardly implemented a comment). This would leave time for the meeting to deliberate in more depth on the more controversial areas.

Ecma TC45 were meeting in Kyoto in the four days preceding the SC 34 meetings to work on the DIS 29500 responses, and a number of SC 34 delegates attended (I myself did not, for fearing of tainting my neutrality). The feedback I have heard, from those whom I would normally count as OOXML skeptics, was that they were favourably impressed with Ecma’s diligence. As one put it, “I don’t care what their motivation is, what I care about is they take account of our comments and respond properly to them”. That is precisely the kind of politics-free, technically focused view which I hope will characterise the onward process ...

Ecma Secrecy


There seems to have been something of a kerfuffle about the secrecy in which Ecma has supposedly shrouded the standards process. However, the instruction to keep the current to-and-fro between Ecma and NBs confidential came directly from ISO/IEC itself at the October JTC 1 meeting in Brisbane, and is not Ecma’s initiative. It is not Ecma’s responses themselves which are sensitive, but the National Body comments to which they are attached. These are, by ISO/IEC rules, confidential and should not be republished in public. Now, as a matter of fact these comments were published in public for several weeks anyway, but this was an aberration (the current SC 34 web site is not password protected; before the current controversies privacy through obscurity was enough to keep documents confidential). Ecma simply have to follow the rules. And they should have applied to ballot comments on ODF too.

Dicing with Death


Following the opening plenary, JISC very generously treated officers of SC 34 to a delicious banquet, and one of the many course was – somewhat to my surprise – fugu. After some initial reservations (“this restaurant isn’t owned by Microsoft or IBM, is it?’) we tucked in. I must agree with the view that the taste of fugu is itself unremarkable, and I was not aware of an toxin-induced tingling sensation, but eating it does have its own special frisson …


SC 34 Officers' Dinner
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Uniting Behind One ISO Document Format? 
2007-12-07, 07:16
There's been some talk in Kyoto of the benefits for all of uniting behind one existing ISO standard for office documents, rather than its confusingly-similarly-named successor.

That standard, of course, is ISO 8613 Open Document Architecture (ODA) ;-)

Many SC 34 veterans remember the extreme angst and politics resulting from the huge commercial interests at play from word-processor vendors when this was standardised (Wang and Olivetti to name but two). ODA was standardised over approximately ten years, finally appearing around 1990. Interestingly the final standard, though incredibly ambitious, never enjoyed any mainstream (or any?) implementations. With its use of SGML and vector graphics it was undoubtedly ahead of its time, and anticipates the XML + vector graphics flavour of today's XML office document specifications.

Meanwhile, back in the modern world I have been acclimatising to Kyoto (and its time zone - melatonin how I love thee), and reviewing/preparing material for the meetings which start tomorrow. One late addition to this is a submission from Japan of an ODF defect report - in translation over 100 fresh errors emerged in the specification which need correction. No doubt this will be one of many ODF/OOXML issues which will be informing the next few days of work ...
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Fast Trains, Temples, and a Hi-tech Loo 
2007-12-06, 22:04
Yes, it's Kyoto – and specifically a meeting of ISO/IEC JTC 1 SC 34, which I shall (time permitting) cover over the coming days ...


Haruka


Kinkaku-ji Temple (The Golden Pavilion)


Washes the posterior
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OOXML BRM - registration deadline approaches 
2007-11-25, 21:18
The ISO/IEC JTC 1 SC 34 Secretariat manager has re-iterated in the latest member correspondence that the deadline is approaching for ISO/IEC members to register for the OOXML Ballot Resolution Meeting scheduled for the end of February 2008.

“I need to receive all preliminary delegate lists before December 11 (which means you can bring the list to the plenary meeting in Kyoto if you wish). National body indications of attendance at the BRM received after December 10 can only be accommodated if there is room remaining, and at this early stage it is not expected that there will be room remaining.”

Registration is open to all member bodies that voted in the 2 September 2007 ballot. The message is: register soon or risk not being able to attend the BRM
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